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		<title>Comment on Judge Not and Ye SHALL be Judged&#8230;. by catholiccitizen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Merry Christmas too you as well.  </description>
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		<title>Comment on Judge Not and Ye SHALL be Judged&#8230;. by herald7</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At no point did I cast God as an &quot;anything goes&quot; God. I said if you concentrate so much on judging others, you have no time to judge your own sins. You can&#039;t control how others think and act. You can certainly give them advice or warn them if they are hurting themselves or others. Not saying you shouldn&#039;t do that. But not to the point where you neglect your own soul. Because in the end, that is ALL you can truly control. :) 
 
I did agree with you on one thing though, about not being a hypocritical judge. That is how I feel as well and I don&#039;t think we&#039;re as unalike as you think. I also think you were right when you scolded people who &quot;proclaim that money is the root of all evil--yet surround themselves with the trappings of wealth.&quot; I see this often, mainly from the so-called conservative politicians in our society (not all of course). What you call &quot;secular libs&quot; are the ones who fight against such hypocrisy in our society. I wouldn&#039;t be so quick to judge them. ;) 
 
Again, this was not an attack against you personally, just a disagreement regarding your statements. I am not perfect; I get things wrong, I certainly have an ego at times, lol. And now I will go and tend to that, rather than continue to concentrate solely on you. Because THAT is what Jesus taught. ;) Again, I wish you well. Merry Christmas. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At no point did I cast God as an &quot;anything goes&quot; God. I said if you concentrate so much on judging others, you have no time to judge your own sins. You can&#039;t control how others think and act. You can certainly give them advice or warn them if they are hurting themselves or others. Not saying you shouldn&#039;t do that. But not to the point where you neglect your own soul. Because in the end, that is ALL you can truly control. <img src='http://catholic-citizen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I did agree with you on one thing though, about not being a hypocritical judge. That is how I feel as well and I don&#039;t think we&#039;re as unalike as you think. I also think you were right when you scolded people who &quot;proclaim that money is the root of all evil&#8211;yet surround themselves with the trappings of wealth.&quot; I see this often, mainly from the so-called conservative politicians in our society (not all of course). What you call &quot;secular libs&quot; are the ones who fight against such hypocrisy in our society. I wouldn&#039;t be so quick to judge them. <img src='http://catholic-citizen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Again, this was not an attack against you personally, just a disagreement regarding your statements. I am not perfect; I get things wrong, I certainly have an ego at times, lol. And now I will go and tend to that, rather than continue to concentrate solely on you. Because THAT is what Jesus taught. <img src='http://catholic-citizen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Again, I wish you well. Merry Christmas. <img src='http://catholic-citizen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Judge Not and Ye SHALL be Judged&#8230;. by catholiccitizen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, your comment was a blatant ad hominem attack. There was no elaboration, no substance, just a quote - and a carefully selected quote taken out of context. This is a tactic that is often employed and is actually the thesis of this essay. This emphasis on not judging people is not realistic - nor is it Christian. Christ never told us not to judge people - he told us that if we were to be judgmental, we should apply the same measure to ourselves as well.  I try very hard to live according to the Magisterium, and when I fail, I make amends - and partake in the sacrament of reconciliation.   
  
The argument is far from flawed theologically. I believe that I provided sufficient passages from the Gospels and the Letters of St. Paul to corroborate my thesis. To cast Christ as an &#039;anything goes&#039; God is an attempt to trivialize Him.  If we were to subscribe to your line of logic and not render judgment, then the concept of Free Will would be meaningless. In a world where there is no judgement, there is no right or wrong. In such a world, choices would have no meaning because there would be no consequences for bad choices. Furthermore, rendering judgement - if done correctly - is not punitive but corrective intervention. It allows people or societies to apply a common measure to adjust and correct behavior. If a person is doing something contrary to the teachings of the Church, failing to address the situation is a much greater sin than to ignore it or not act for fear of the &#039;log in my own eye&#039;.   
  
Being Catholic is not always easy. The discipline of the Magisterium is sometimes difficult and I have struggled with some tenets of the Faith for years. But I am a Catholic and I follow the teachings of the Church.  You are more than free to judge me - and you have. I am content that when I exercise my judgement, it is in accordance with doctrine, with the Gospels, and done not out of malice but out of compassion.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, your comment was a blatant ad hominem attack. There was no elaboration, no substance, just a quote &#8211; and a carefully selected quote taken out of context. This is a tactic that is often employed and is actually the thesis of this essay. This emphasis on not judging people is not realistic &#8211; nor is it Christian. Christ never told us not to judge people &#8211; he told us that if we were to be judgmental, we should apply the same measure to ourselves as well.  I try very hard to live according to the Magisterium, and when I fail, I make amends &#8211; and partake in the sacrament of reconciliation.   </p>
<p>The argument is far from flawed theologically. I believe that I provided sufficient passages from the Gospels and the Letters of St. Paul to corroborate my thesis. To cast Christ as an &#039;anything goes&#039; God is an attempt to trivialize Him.  If we were to subscribe to your line of logic and not render judgment, then the concept of Free Will would be meaningless. In a world where there is no judgement, there is no right or wrong. In such a world, choices would have no meaning because there would be no consequences for bad choices. Furthermore, rendering judgement &#8211; if done correctly &#8211; is not punitive but corrective intervention. It allows people or societies to apply a common measure to adjust and correct behavior. If a person is doing something contrary to the teachings of the Church, failing to address the situation is a much greater sin than to ignore it or not act for fear of the &#039;log in my own eye&#039;.   </p>
<p>Being Catholic is not always easy. The discipline of the Magisterium is sometimes difficult and I have struggled with some tenets of the Faith for years. But I am a Catholic and I follow the teachings of the Church.  You are more than free to judge me &#8211; and you have. I am content that when I exercise my judgement, it is in accordance with doctrine, with the Gospels, and done not out of malice but out of compassion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judge Not and Ye SHALL be Judged&#8230;. by herald7</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 03:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hypocrite&quot; was Jesus&#039; word to describe someone who spent so much time judging others, they failed to notice their own sins. Just saying you might want to worry about your own failings first before you &quot;rebuke&quot; others.  
 
I have nothing against you personally, I just found your argument theologically flawed. But I wish you luck. And Merry Christmas. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Hypocrite&quot; was Jesus&#039; word to describe someone who spent so much time judging others, they failed to notice their own sins. Just saying you might want to worry about your own failings first before you &quot;rebuke&quot; others.  </p>
<p>I have nothing against you personally, I just found your argument theologically flawed. But I wish you luck. And Merry Christmas. <img src='http://catholic-citizen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Judge Not and Ye SHALL be Judged&#8230;. by catholiccitizen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 01:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry you seem to have a problem with my argument.  I have absolutely no idea what I have written to merit the sobriquet of &#039;hypocrite&#039;. Perhaps it is that I have written something you don&#039;t like.   
  
One of the most significant problems with our society is the aversion to apply appropriate measures to evaluate behavior, actions, conduct, or speech. As a practical Catholic, I cleave to the Bible and the Magisterium - the traditions and teachings of the Catholic Church. When a person or group acts in a way contrary to my beliefs, I will apply the measure provided by the Church. You are welcome to accept my position or not. But it does not make my judgement that the behavior is morally wrong irrelevant.   
  
Interesting that you call a person who is articulating his beliefs and is actively defending them hypocritical.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m sorry you seem to have a problem with my argument.  I have absolutely no idea what I have written to merit the sobriquet of &#039;hypocrite&#039;. Perhaps it is that I have written something you don&#039;t like.   </p>
<p>One of the most significant problems with our society is the aversion to apply appropriate measures to evaluate behavior, actions, conduct, or speech. As a practical Catholic, I cleave to the Bible and the Magisterium &#8211; the traditions and teachings of the Catholic Church. When a person or group acts in a way contrary to my beliefs, I will apply the measure provided by the Church. You are welcome to accept my position or not. But it does not make my judgement that the behavior is morally wrong irrelevant.   </p>
<p>Interesting that you call a person who is articulating his beliefs and is actively defending them hypocritical.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Judge Not and Ye SHALL be Judged&#8230;. by herald7</title>
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		<dc:creator>herald7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 00:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye...&quot; ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye&#8230;&quot; <img src='http://catholic-citizen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The problem with &#8216;Collective Salvation&#8217; by catholiccitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>catholiccitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?              &lt;DIV&gt;approve&lt;/DIV&gt;      &lt;DIV style=&quot;FONT: 10pt arial&quot;&gt; </description>
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		<title>Comment on The problem with &#8216;Collective Salvation&#8217; by JohnRr. Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnRr. Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 05:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a solid article on Collective salvation.  It is the version before the PC police gutted it on Wikipedia. 
See:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/Collective%20salvation.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/Collective%20sal...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a solid article on Collective salvation.  It is the version before the PC police gutted it on Wikipedia.<br />
See:  <a href="http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/Collective%20salvation.htm" rel="nofollow">http://members.cox.net/jrcrin001/Collective%20sal&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on the Vatican Speaks on Social Justice by Gaius Gracchus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaius Gracchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice is insuring that each individual gets what they earn.  Christians are individually obligated to help those who cannot help themselves.  State sponsored &quot;charity&quot; is not a virtue and historically has been used by the state to drive out individual charity efforts.  Social justice and collective salvation are code words for the state&#8217;s usurpation and destruction of the individual&#8217;s Christian duty.  States historically seek more and more power and use the control of charity to gain power by diminishing the Christian individual.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice is insuring that each individual gets what they earn.  Christians are individually obligated to help those who cannot help themselves.  State sponsored &quot;charity&quot; is not a virtue and historically has been used by the state to drive out individual charity efforts.  Social justice and collective salvation are code words for the state&rsquo;s usurpation and destruction of the individual&rsquo;s Christian duty.  States historically seek more and more power and use the control of charity to gain power by diminishing the Christian individual.</p>
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		<title>Comment on the Vatican Speaks on Social Justice by catholiccitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>catholiccitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 17:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I have it all right, Mike. Charity is a virtue - and obligation of the individual, not the &#039;State&#039;. The former provides Christians an opportunity to live the Word. The latter replaces individual charity with taxes, the State replaces the Church, and - most insidious - we have a society of citizens who believe they have no personal responsibility to those in need. Liberals - like Mr. Obama and his ilk - believe that charity is an instrument of policy, not people. The rank and file &#039;progressive&#039; has no personal stake in the poor - that&#039;s what taxes are for. 
 
Justice is changing things. I would argue that people possess more opportunities, freedom, and potential to rise out of poverty here in the United States than anywhere else. People like Oprah Winfrey are proof that one can rise from abject poverty to indescribable wealth.  
 
I appreciate you comments - and as an individual I agree. But do you really want to live in a nation that compels people to give their wealth? Do you really believe in compulsory redistribution of wealth?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I have it all right, Mike. Charity is a virtue &#8211; and obligation of the individual, not the &#039;State&#039;. The former provides Christians an opportunity to live the Word. The latter replaces individual charity with taxes, the State replaces the Church, and &#8211; most insidious &#8211; we have a society of citizens who believe they have no personal responsibility to those in need. Liberals &#8211; like Mr. Obama and his ilk &#8211; believe that charity is an instrument of policy, not people. The rank and file &#039;progressive&#039; has no personal stake in the poor &#8211; that&#039;s what taxes are for. </p>
<p>Justice is changing things. I would argue that people possess more opportunities, freedom, and potential to rise out of poverty here in the United States than anywhere else. People like Oprah Winfrey are proof that one can rise from abject poverty to indescribable wealth.  </p>
<p>I appreciate you comments &#8211; and as an individual I agree. But do you really want to live in a nation that compels people to give their wealth? Do you really believe in compulsory redistribution of wealth?</p>
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